Music and Music Words and Philosophy
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tabular_rasaThe Hicks were nice and let me on the computer when Dottie and Ellie went to sleep. Their computer is fast ^_^
Earlier I was busting out the old YHO music . . . Paul Hindemith's "Funf Stucke for Orchester" . . . I had a craving to listen to this. It's rather very modern-y (and we as the YHO don't play it very well), but it makes sense, in a way. I like it on certain occasions, this being one. It also makes me reminiscent . . . I remember Saturday morning after the first full moon I ever wrote about in the Marauder journal.
Ooh, yeah; the Zehr Langsam movement, my favorite. I was going to use this for a death once . . . ooh, it could be for the funeral in Noble House.
As I pointed out (rather inappropriately) in English today, I love music words that mean death marches or mourning tunes-- and also descriptions for sadness: Requiem, Elegy, Pavane (so it's really a procession but I always think of Pavane for a Dead Princess or Faure's Pavane, both of which are sad), and the new one for today, Threnady. Such pretty words! Also, Lacrymosa, Doloroso . . . very pretty words.
Wow, this is the movement (the one after my favorite; lol, yes, it keeps moving with the entry) I came up with an idea for a story to.
Anyway . . . I don't know where the people went I was supposed to babysit. They were supposed to pick me up at 4:30-- and they never did . . . and I'm too scared to call them. Hmm . . .
I hate not being online all the time anymore. I really can't RP very much. Yes, I know, I am so pathetic.
Gaa I have too much to do this weekend. I have to help take the damn boat out, and also go to a thing about Yale that will only be an hour long but is two hours away.
Yeah, I think Halloween gets screwed over by college visits. Dammit. MAYBE I can show up at someone else's house, dress up real fast and run over . . . but I really don't think the 12 Grimmauld Place is going to happen.
Maybe if I'm pessimistic, it'll work out???
Okay, this is rather fun: in Spanish, I was randomly compiling a list of philsophical questions. Then, lo and behold, I walk into World History and we're watching a [really old] movie (uh, I mean, film strip . . . yes, with the projector and all . . . like the kind I had to set up in my closet last year and watch with Chris the psycho as he tried to throw printers at me and we freaked out when they played Rienzi in the German Revolutions one) about Socrates and his teachings. I was like, "Hey, more philosophy! Score!"
Answer yes or no to the following questions. Feel free to expand on them, or add "but," or any reserves you might have. I'm posting mine, but later, so you won't be affected by my results. Think of it like a survey, deeper than the usual "What's your name?" and "Do you like vanilla or chocolate better?" survey. My hope is you have to really think about some of them . . . and then you come up with something great and really truly what you believe. Post them; I'd love to see them (you can leave stuff out if you really want to, too; it doesn't matter). It's fun! Yea for the Socratic method!
((Note: "Outside Force" can be anything . . . usually it is interpreted to be God, but you can throw in a say for parents, there, too, and how they raise you . . . ))
-Humans are naturally good.
-Humans are naturally evil.
-Humans require an outside force to become good.
-Human conscience shows how to be good.
-An outside force shows us how to be good.
-Conscience is affected by experience.
-There is one universal path of right that all must follow to be good.
-Each individual follows his own path based on his conscience to be good.
-Children should be taught a uniform code of manners in schools.
-Individual parents should be in charge of their own childrens' discipline.
-Religion should be taught in public schools.
-Religion should be banned in public schools.
-A person owes something to the country he lives in.
-A country owes something to the people that live in it.
-An elected official deserves respect.
-An elected official deserves unquestioned obedience.
-The security of the whole is worth more than the individual liberties of one/some.
-The achievements of the whole are worth more than the achievements of one.
-Civil disobedience is a worthy form of protest.
-All protest can take place within the boundaries of the law and still be effective.
-Life is preferrable to death.
-Life with shame is preferrable to death with honor.
-All lives are of equal worth
-Some lives must be sacrified for the good of the rest.
-War is murder and is therefore evil.
-War spares more lives in proportion to lives lost and is therefore good.
-There is only one right religion.
-There are several right religions, but not all of them.
-All religions are right.
-Even non-religion is right.
-God does not exist.
-God exists.
(obviously, if you said no to the above, you can't answer this)
-God has a physical place of residence.
-God is people's consciences.
-God is loving.
-God is wrathful.
-God causes physical miracles.
-God works through people.
-There is an afterlife.
-Evenutally, all good is rewarded and evil is punished.
-Evil is punished before death.
-Evil is punished after death.
-Evil does not exist.
-Evil actions can be atoned before death.
-Evil actions can be atoned after death.
I could do this all day.
-Humans are naturally good. Yes; I am the posterchild for this. Either that or we are blank.
-Humans are naturally evil. No.
-Humans require an outside force to become good. Possibly; if we are blank, it does (this theory is called tabular rasa . . . hey hey, how about that?)
-Human conscience shows how to be good. Yes. We're all born good and will stay good until corrupted-- unless we're blank (my great argument: good or blank? Not good or evil, lol)
-An outside force shows us how to be good. Yes, because it keeps us in check. Another outside force also can show us to be evil.
-Conscience is affected by experience. Yes, definitely. We are either blank and form a conscience on our experience, or we are good but can be corrupted-- because not all people act good.
-There is one universal path of right that all must follow to be good. No. I can't think a Muslim would go to Hell if Christianity is right, or vise-versa, if they were pious, never murdered, tried not to lie, etc, etc . . .
-Each individual follows his own path based on his conscience to be good. Yes.
-Children should be taught a uniform code of manners in schools. No. Oh please, no.
-Individual parents should be in charge of their own childrens' discipline. Yes. Even more so, the kids should have a say in created their moral code, too; being exposed to lots of places, from churches to schools to parents all with different values sort of allow kids to pick their own-- though, er, they usually pick the most liberal non-rule-ish setting, lol . . .
-Religion should be taught in public schools. No. That's a breach on the separation of church and state. It also would dictate one religion and that's a breach on one of the Four Freedoms (which I stand for except the Fear one . . . screw Fear, I don't care if I Fear . . . )
-Religion should be banned in public schools. Hell no (ha ha . . . get the irony??? Sorry, it's 11:00)! Just because one isn't dictated doesn't mean it shouldn't be ALLOWED. In fact, that's just as bad as forcing it, forcing it out . . . (and, in case there was any doubt . . . "taking prayer out of schools" is intended to mean taking REQUIRED prayer out of schools . . . not punishing kids for praying . . . that's just cruel and unconstitutional).
-A person owes something to the country he lives in. This one I have to think about. If you could break away from society, no, but if you use the roads and the educational system, perhaps.
-A country owes something to the people that live in it. Duh.
-An elected official deserves respect. Some, for taking the initiative to lead us.
-An elected official deserves unquestioned obedience. No. Then we have a dictatorship. Of course, the President would like you to think this . . .
-The security of the whole is worth more than the individual liberties of one/some. NO!!! Guantanamo Bay's false accusation, Japanese-American internemnt camps, Patriot Act, NEED I SAY MORE???
-The achievements of the whole are worth more than the achievements of one. (By the way, you're a Commie if you say yes to this one . . . lol, I have an indoctrination book about this ^_^ but that's no problem; I have no problems with Communism as an ideal . . . just not instated by corrupt folks . . . but then again I do tend to lead more left than right . . . shh! You didn't hear me say that! If there was any doubt . . . )
-Civil disobedience is a worthy form of protest. Yes, because sometimes laws cannot be lawfully obeyed and protested at the same time.
-All protest can take place within the boundaries of the law and still be effective. No.
-Life is preferrable to death. Only in some cases . . .
-Life with shame is preferrable to death with honor. Like that. I do have some honor, Tiffany. The Japanese kind, lol . . .
-All lives are of equal worth. Yes.
-Some lives must be sacrified for the good of the rest. Only by choice. I might do it myself. If someone CHOOSES to sacrifice his life, then that's good; it's very effective. However, drafts, or "not negotiating with terrorists" and killing people that don't want to be killed for the pride of a cause is bad, in my opinion.
-War is murder and is therefore evil. How do you say, "Thou shalt not kill?"
-War spares more lives in proportion to lives lost and is therefore good. No. No, no, no . . . and civilian warfare, don't EVEN get me started . . .
-There is only one right religion. No.
-There are several right religions, but not all of them. No.
-All religions are right. Pretty much. As long as you BELIEVE it's right (and not just believe; KNOW), you should be fine. If God's telling you to go one way, go it, don't refuse because everyone around you is like, "But no; THIS is the right religion and we say you can't do that!" How do you think religions like Judaism and Christianity got started?
-Even non-religion is right. Um, I don't know. I myself don't want to risk it. Pascal's Wager: Better to believe in God and end up wrong and having lost nothing, than to not believe and end up wrong and be condemned to eternal damnation.
-God does not exist. No.
-God exists. Yup-- or at least some force. I think it's one. It could be the some of all forces (like in Star Wars-- and Shinto. Does anyone else notice a connection between Star Wars and Japanese culture? I really do . . . Jedi=Samurai, Force=Kami, even the clothes are the same).
(obviously, if you said no to the above, you can't answer this)
-God has a physical place of residence. This is another one I'm not so sure of. He may have like a home base in Heaven, but I think for the most part He lives through people, in their consciences/hearts whatever you want to call it . . .
-God is people's consciences. Either all of him or a piece of him.
-God is loving. Yeah. If He wasn't, we wouldn't be here, would we?
-God is wrathful. I think definitely more loving. He's like a parent, getting mad at us from time to time, frustrated, disappointed, but not like I-want-to-burn-you-in-Hell all the time.
-God causes physical miracles. Undecided on this one, too. I think he started everything, which is a physical miracle, but I dunno how much he does now. For instance, various acts of God may actually have been coincidences-- but since God sort of made them, er, I think we can give him credit.
-God works through people. Where else? That's the biggest miracle.
-There is an afterlife. I'd like to believe there is, so I will. That's how simple it is.
-Evenutally, all good is rewarded and evil is punished. Yes. Karma! Woot! Lol . .
-Evil is punished before death. Most of the time, yes.
-Evil is punished after death. If it wasn't done in life, but it doesn't go on forever. I can't think God would make you burn or whatever FOREVER. That-- I read this in either a book about Quakers or Unitarians-- sort of said it made it sound like He wasn't able to save everyone . . . so maybe he dunks them in fire for a few thousand years and then when they plead to be absolved he brings them back up? Or maybe there is no Hell. Maybe you turn into a chicken. Perhaps everyone goes to Heaven eventually. I'd like to think that.
-Evil does not exist. Well, there are evil actions, but most are based in a good. There are evil ROUTES . . . but no evil intentions. I don't think very many people out there drown puppies for the sake of drowning puppies.
-Evil actions can be atoned before death. Yes.
-Evil actions can be atoned after death. If they need to be atoned at all.
Hmm, I sounded kind of sarcastic in there. Anyway . . . it's late. I liked doing that, but . . . it was late. I could go in a lot deeper to a lot of them. Have fun. Please do it. Please? At least ask then to yourself. It's fun. I swear, it is . . .
Earlier I was busting out the old YHO music . . . Paul Hindemith's "Funf Stucke for Orchester" . . . I had a craving to listen to this. It's rather very modern-y (and we as the YHO don't play it very well), but it makes sense, in a way. I like it on certain occasions, this being one. It also makes me reminiscent . . . I remember Saturday morning after the first full moon I ever wrote about in the Marauder journal.
Ooh, yeah; the Zehr Langsam movement, my favorite. I was going to use this for a death once . . . ooh, it could be for the funeral in Noble House.
As I pointed out (rather inappropriately) in English today, I love music words that mean death marches or mourning tunes-- and also descriptions for sadness: Requiem, Elegy, Pavane (so it's really a procession but I always think of Pavane for a Dead Princess or Faure's Pavane, both of which are sad), and the new one for today, Threnady. Such pretty words! Also, Lacrymosa, Doloroso . . . very pretty words.
Wow, this is the movement (the one after my favorite; lol, yes, it keeps moving with the entry) I came up with an idea for a story to.
Anyway . . . I don't know where the people went I was supposed to babysit. They were supposed to pick me up at 4:30-- and they never did . . . and I'm too scared to call them. Hmm . . .
I hate not being online all the time anymore. I really can't RP very much. Yes, I know, I am so pathetic.
Gaa I have too much to do this weekend. I have to help take the damn boat out, and also go to a thing about Yale that will only be an hour long but is two hours away.
Yeah, I think Halloween gets screwed over by college visits. Dammit. MAYBE I can show up at someone else's house, dress up real fast and run over . . . but I really don't think the 12 Grimmauld Place is going to happen.
Maybe if I'm pessimistic, it'll work out???
Okay, this is rather fun: in Spanish, I was randomly compiling a list of philsophical questions. Then, lo and behold, I walk into World History and we're watching a [really old] movie (uh, I mean, film strip . . . yes, with the projector and all . . . like the kind I had to set up in my closet last year and watch with Chris the psycho as he tried to throw printers at me and we freaked out when they played Rienzi in the German Revolutions one) about Socrates and his teachings. I was like, "Hey, more philosophy! Score!"
Answer yes or no to the following questions. Feel free to expand on them, or add "but," or any reserves you might have. I'm posting mine, but later, so you won't be affected by my results. Think of it like a survey, deeper than the usual "What's your name?" and "Do you like vanilla or chocolate better?" survey. My hope is you have to really think about some of them . . . and then you come up with something great and really truly what you believe. Post them; I'd love to see them (you can leave stuff out if you really want to, too; it doesn't matter). It's fun! Yea for the Socratic method!
((Note: "Outside Force" can be anything . . . usually it is interpreted to be God, but you can throw in a say for parents, there, too, and how they raise you . . . ))
-Humans are naturally good.
-Humans are naturally evil.
-Humans require an outside force to become good.
-Human conscience shows how to be good.
-An outside force shows us how to be good.
-Conscience is affected by experience.
-There is one universal path of right that all must follow to be good.
-Each individual follows his own path based on his conscience to be good.
-Children should be taught a uniform code of manners in schools.
-Individual parents should be in charge of their own childrens' discipline.
-Religion should be taught in public schools.
-Religion should be banned in public schools.
-A person owes something to the country he lives in.
-A country owes something to the people that live in it.
-An elected official deserves respect.
-An elected official deserves unquestioned obedience.
-The security of the whole is worth more than the individual liberties of one/some.
-The achievements of the whole are worth more than the achievements of one.
-Civil disobedience is a worthy form of protest.
-All protest can take place within the boundaries of the law and still be effective.
-Life is preferrable to death.
-Life with shame is preferrable to death with honor.
-All lives are of equal worth
-Some lives must be sacrified for the good of the rest.
-War is murder and is therefore evil.
-War spares more lives in proportion to lives lost and is therefore good.
-There is only one right religion.
-There are several right religions, but not all of them.
-All religions are right.
-Even non-religion is right.
-God does not exist.
-God exists.
(obviously, if you said no to the above, you can't answer this)
-God has a physical place of residence.
-God is people's consciences.
-God is loving.
-God is wrathful.
-God causes physical miracles.
-God works through people.
-There is an afterlife.
-Evenutally, all good is rewarded and evil is punished.
-Evil is punished before death.
-Evil is punished after death.
-Evil does not exist.
-Evil actions can be atoned before death.
-Evil actions can be atoned after death.
I could do this all day.
-Humans are naturally good. Yes; I am the posterchild for this. Either that or we are blank.
-Humans are naturally evil. No.
-Humans require an outside force to become good. Possibly; if we are blank, it does (this theory is called tabular rasa . . . hey hey, how about that?)
-Human conscience shows how to be good. Yes. We're all born good and will stay good until corrupted-- unless we're blank (my great argument: good or blank? Not good or evil, lol)
-An outside force shows us how to be good. Yes, because it keeps us in check. Another outside force also can show us to be evil.
-Conscience is affected by experience. Yes, definitely. We are either blank and form a conscience on our experience, or we are good but can be corrupted-- because not all people act good.
-There is one universal path of right that all must follow to be good. No. I can't think a Muslim would go to Hell if Christianity is right, or vise-versa, if they were pious, never murdered, tried not to lie, etc, etc . . .
-Each individual follows his own path based on his conscience to be good. Yes.
-Children should be taught a uniform code of manners in schools. No. Oh please, no.
-Individual parents should be in charge of their own childrens' discipline. Yes. Even more so, the kids should have a say in created their moral code, too; being exposed to lots of places, from churches to schools to parents all with different values sort of allow kids to pick their own-- though, er, they usually pick the most liberal non-rule-ish setting, lol . . .
-Religion should be taught in public schools. No. That's a breach on the separation of church and state. It also would dictate one religion and that's a breach on one of the Four Freedoms (which I stand for except the Fear one . . . screw Fear, I don't care if I Fear . . . )
-Religion should be banned in public schools. Hell no (ha ha . . . get the irony??? Sorry, it's 11:00)! Just because one isn't dictated doesn't mean it shouldn't be ALLOWED. In fact, that's just as bad as forcing it, forcing it out . . . (and, in case there was any doubt . . . "taking prayer out of schools" is intended to mean taking REQUIRED prayer out of schools . . . not punishing kids for praying . . . that's just cruel and unconstitutional).
-A person owes something to the country he lives in. This one I have to think about. If you could break away from society, no, but if you use the roads and the educational system, perhaps.
-A country owes something to the people that live in it. Duh.
-An elected official deserves respect. Some, for taking the initiative to lead us.
-An elected official deserves unquestioned obedience. No. Then we have a dictatorship. Of course, the President would like you to think this . . .
-The security of the whole is worth more than the individual liberties of one/some. NO!!! Guantanamo Bay's false accusation, Japanese-American internemnt camps, Patriot Act, NEED I SAY MORE???
-The achievements of the whole are worth more than the achievements of one. (By the way, you're a Commie if you say yes to this one . . . lol, I have an indoctrination book about this ^_^ but that's no problem; I have no problems with Communism as an ideal . . . just not instated by corrupt folks . . . but then again I do tend to lead more left than right . . . shh! You didn't hear me say that! If there was any doubt . . . )
-Civil disobedience is a worthy form of protest. Yes, because sometimes laws cannot be lawfully obeyed and protested at the same time.
-All protest can take place within the boundaries of the law and still be effective. No.
-Life is preferrable to death. Only in some cases . . .
-Life with shame is preferrable to death with honor. Like that. I do have some honor, Tiffany. The Japanese kind, lol . . .
-All lives are of equal worth. Yes.
-Some lives must be sacrified for the good of the rest. Only by choice. I might do it myself. If someone CHOOSES to sacrifice his life, then that's good; it's very effective. However, drafts, or "not negotiating with terrorists" and killing people that don't want to be killed for the pride of a cause is bad, in my opinion.
-War is murder and is therefore evil. How do you say, "Thou shalt not kill?"
-War spares more lives in proportion to lives lost and is therefore good. No. No, no, no . . . and civilian warfare, don't EVEN get me started . . .
-There is only one right religion. No.
-There are several right religions, but not all of them. No.
-All religions are right. Pretty much. As long as you BELIEVE it's right (and not just believe; KNOW), you should be fine. If God's telling you to go one way, go it, don't refuse because everyone around you is like, "But no; THIS is the right religion and we say you can't do that!" How do you think religions like Judaism and Christianity got started?
-Even non-religion is right. Um, I don't know. I myself don't want to risk it. Pascal's Wager: Better to believe in God and end up wrong and having lost nothing, than to not believe and end up wrong and be condemned to eternal damnation.
-God does not exist. No.
-God exists. Yup-- or at least some force. I think it's one. It could be the some of all forces (like in Star Wars-- and Shinto. Does anyone else notice a connection between Star Wars and Japanese culture? I really do . . . Jedi=Samurai, Force=Kami, even the clothes are the same).
(obviously, if you said no to the above, you can't answer this)
-God has a physical place of residence. This is another one I'm not so sure of. He may have like a home base in Heaven, but I think for the most part He lives through people, in their consciences/hearts whatever you want to call it . . .
-God is people's consciences. Either all of him or a piece of him.
-God is loving. Yeah. If He wasn't, we wouldn't be here, would we?
-God is wrathful. I think definitely more loving. He's like a parent, getting mad at us from time to time, frustrated, disappointed, but not like I-want-to-burn-you-in-Hell all the time.
-God causes physical miracles. Undecided on this one, too. I think he started everything, which is a physical miracle, but I dunno how much he does now. For instance, various acts of God may actually have been coincidences-- but since God sort of made them, er, I think we can give him credit.
-God works through people. Where else? That's the biggest miracle.
-There is an afterlife. I'd like to believe there is, so I will. That's how simple it is.
-Evenutally, all good is rewarded and evil is punished. Yes. Karma! Woot! Lol . .
-Evil is punished before death. Most of the time, yes.
-Evil is punished after death. If it wasn't done in life, but it doesn't go on forever. I can't think God would make you burn or whatever FOREVER. That-- I read this in either a book about Quakers or Unitarians-- sort of said it made it sound like He wasn't able to save everyone . . . so maybe he dunks them in fire for a few thousand years and then when they plead to be absolved he brings them back up? Or maybe there is no Hell. Maybe you turn into a chicken. Perhaps everyone goes to Heaven eventually. I'd like to think that.
-Evil does not exist. Well, there are evil actions, but most are based in a good. There are evil ROUTES . . . but no evil intentions. I don't think very many people out there drown puppies for the sake of drowning puppies.
-Evil actions can be atoned before death. Yes.
-Evil actions can be atoned after death. If they need to be atoned at all.
Hmm, I sounded kind of sarcastic in there. Anyway . . . it's late. I liked doing that, but . . . it was late. I could go in a lot deeper to a lot of them. Have fun. Please do it. Please? At least ask then to yourself. It's fun. I swear, it is . . .
